Sunday, 22 December 2013

Is a wave of east Europeans migrants about to submerge Britain?

On January 1, the British labour market will be opened to Romanian and Bulgarian workers.

As David Cameron's government is poised to push for new restrictions to benefits for new immigrants, Bulgarian president Rossend Plevneliev issued a fierce rebuke to British prime minister. In an interview given to The Observer he said that —
In the past 20 years immigrants in Great Britain contributed heavily to its prosperity, and that is a fact. The only thing that is important is not to listen to populist politicians who play on people's fears but to listen to the wise men in Great Britain.
The issue is a big debate in the UK. In The Guardian Alp Mehmet (vice chair of MigrationWatch UK and former British ambassador to Iceland) and Jonathan Portes (director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research) put forward their opposing views on immigration

11 comments:

  1. Ah, l'anglais ! Il y en a marre ! Mi da fastiiidio !

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  2. Essentially open immigration began in the US in 1965. Since then, the the average income of individual households as been stagnant or decreased and the US has clearly been changing from a society where the middle economic class is not the stable normal but rather a place where the children of the upper economic class spend a few years after university before they join the upper economic class.

    Immigrants to the US have not been assimilating the way they used to but rather they are simply being exploited as cheap and disposable labor. The economist seem to love this. Nobody else does.

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    1. For who is wondering against whom I irrupted in anger, so that the administrator had to remove a comment: it was test bearing the myterious text of xxx - so mysterious that I do not understand it either, and am grateful it was removed. But the machinery worked (I had tried during two hours with WordPress before ...

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  4. Well - it seems that I can live as google here, it is called PM99, sorry chaps, it is me, preda. Not much to say about the invasion of England. Just that I know from French friends, that the imigrants that create the most problems there are the second generation, naturalized and unadapted Maghrebins ('the' means that precise segment of the much larger set of people of the same ethny). They are organized in criminality, unadapted and protected by all kinds of written and unwritten laws. Useless to say, the population, the schools, etc - suffer. But I am sure, the ones who suffer most are the people of like origin who have no intention whatsoever to follow that track, but are often identified with the ones that do - and also, often, aggressed or laugher at by them. Meanwhile politics speaks about rose gardens. And then about the menace by new streams of migration.

    It is hilarious - and it looks like we are slowly having a language problem to talk about reality of this kind. But now we have Christmas right? It can wait - good to have a voice here among you, Craciun Fericit - Feliz Navidad and Merry Chanukah z'sämä.

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  5. “It’s just a pretext for Great Britain to discuss their exit from EU”, said a Romanian MP. “Once in the European family you can’t accept to stay at a small table, in the corner.” Three Romanian PM are trying to explain the measures needed to change the hostile attitude of English people. http://www.gandul.info/politica/trei-premieri-de-la-bucuresti-in-fata-campaniei-anti-romani-de-la-londra-ce-solutii-au-tariceanu-ungureanu-si-ponta-11751186

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    1. Cameron is not reacting to the expected flood of immigrants on January 1st so much as reacting to his elecrorate's expectations and fears. If, as most people expect, we are deluged by incomers from Eastern Europe then Cameron and the Tories will in political terms, 'dead in the water'. Yet more Tory voters will defect to UKIP to the extent that UKIP could well lead the party political stakes in Britain. We will have a better idea of the state of our country in the new year.
      Interesting times indeed!

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  6. Some of the debate here in the UK has become appalling: the most idiotic and populist I have seen for a while. Inevitably, the sensible and intelligent stuff makes for boring reading here, across Europe, and in RO and BG. The very best debate is confined (as is so often the case) to outlets such as BBC (radio and some TV).

    Cameron is basically playing to the UKIP gallery. Most UKIP supporters have absolutely no idea about the needs of the economy, and are so bloody-minded that they would probably accept a good economic shafting in the name of 'independence' anyway.

    The truth is not complex. Do we need Bulgarian and Romanian workers (of all grades and specialisms) working hard and paying tax? Yes, we do. We don't need to consult the Daily Mail on this - they have no idea what they are talking about. People that actually run businesses are much more convincing. Should we honour our treaty obligations to make a home here for hard-working and skilled Bulgarians and Romanians, possibly in large numbers? Yes. Did you know that there are nearly 800,000 residents of the UK with just WEST European nationality? Are we going to expel the 300,000 French? 250,000 Germans?

    Will the influx of a further wave of foreigners change our national culture? Yes. Of course. Like it did with waves of Irish, Jewish, Italian, Polish, Maltese, Chinese workers nearly a hundred years ago. And again with more Italians, then Asians and Caribbean, Greek-Cypriot, Turkish workers in the 1960s and 70s. If people don't like a multi-ethnic UK, they were living in the wrong country even 50 years ago.

    However, IF (and it is a huge if) honouring our treaty obligations means that we have to accommodate into our welfare system large numbers of lazy or criminal foreigners, we should break and dishonour our treaty obligations. I don't think that this will happen, personally. The figures for the number of EU citizens who are claiming welfare payments in the UK is so embarrassingly small that the government is having great trouble publishing the data.

    To Little Englanders I say this: if you don't like seeing Slavs on our streets, clean your own office toilets, pick your own apples and cherries, get your kids out of university and get them on a decent plumber's course, quit your job and serve coffee in Costa. Or maybe go into IT, medicine, nursing and engineering. A lot of these guys are making serious money in those sectors, where we have a shortage.

    To Bulgarians and Romanians who are coming here to work, I say welcome. Many of us (though sadly not all) will be friendly and appreciative. To those who are coming to get your rent paid by my local council, fit cloning devices on ATMs, and to rob my phone and wallet on the tube: don't.



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    1. You've asked the right question: are they needed? I am in London for the holidays and met already a lot of ukrainians working around in shops. That was the first question I did ask myself, if there are here, they must be needed, there are not even in the EU. By the way, I find the overall multiculti atmosphere very pleasant in London. People say hello and smile easy, I never feel agressivity as I feel sometimes in Paris. Merry X mas Tommy

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